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Re: Houdini 4 Pro 32-bit

Post  Bacolod Chess on Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:57 pm

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chichi wrote:From my first tests this version seems weaker than Houdini 3 x64 version. It still have the hash bug issue.
Wait you're doing Houdini 4 x32 vs Houdini 3 x64??? Isn't the 64 bit version going to perform better against any 32bit engine? because I just did a x32 houdini 4 vs x32 houdini 3 and they did equal. Didn't notice any weakness from Houdini 4 unless you didn't use the .reg patch that would explain everything.
No. in theory, this w32 should be stronger than Houdini 3 Pro x64 just a little bit. coz there would be no sense at all in getting this w32 if it's weaker than the previous Houdini. I'm still running my own test with the first Houdini_4_pro_w32 against Houdini 3 pro x64.

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Re: Houdini 4 Pro 32-bit

Post  chichi on Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:58 am

It should be stronger, yes. But it isn't! I suppose this version is not fully cracked, see the hash issue as well.

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Re: Houdini 4 Pro 32-bit

Post  Bacolod Chess on Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:08 am

chichi wrote:It should be stronger, yes. But it isn't! I suppose this version is not fully cracked, see the hash issue as well.
hhmmm.. about wheter it's cracked or not, I guess it is cracked. coz I accidentally tested an uncracked Houdini 4 before, (the one that was posted by Samir in the other thread, and it lose to Houdini 3 Pro ten times in a row, so I discontinued the test, discovering it wasn't cracked at all. well, i'm not so sure about this. That is why we have to test the second Houdini 4 w32 posted by maelic

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Re: Houdini 4 Pro 32-bit

Post  Craparov on Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:48 am

chichi wrote:It should be stronger, yes. But it isn't! I suppose this version is not fully cracked, see the hash issue as well.
On my modest laptop, it is clearly stronger, beating Komodo TCEC in blitz matches. The cr@.. is fine, IMO. Here's hoping we'll have 64 bit H4 for Xmas!

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Re: Houdini 4 Pro 32-bit

Post  Bacolod Chess on Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:15 am

Craparov wrote:
chichi wrote:It should be stronger, yes. But it isn't! I suppose this version is not fully cracked, see the hash issue as well.
On my modest laptop, it is clearly stronger, beating Komodo TCEC in blitz matches.  The cr@.. is fine, IMO.  Here's hoping we'll have 64 bit H4 for Xmas!
komodo tcec is designed for long games

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Re: Houdini 4 Pro 32-bit

Post  Craparov on Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:07 am

Bacolod Chess wrote:
Craparov wrote:
chichi wrote:It should be stronger, yes. But it isn't! I suppose this version is not fully cracked, see the hash issue as well.
On my modest laptop, it is clearly stronger, beating Komodo TCEC in blitz matches.  The cr@.. is fine, IMO.  Here's hoping we'll have 64 bit H4 for Xmas!
komodo tcec is designed for long games
Yes, but if the crack was bad, H4 would still lose. That was my point.

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Re: Houdini 4 Pro 32-bit

Post  Bacolod Chess on Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:02 am

Craparov wrote:
Bacolod Chess wrote:
Craparov wrote:
chichi wrote:It should be stronger, yes. But it isn't! I suppose this version is not fully cracked, see the hash issue as well.
On my modest laptop, it is clearly stronger, beating Komodo TCEC in blitz matches.  The cr@.. is fine, IMO.  Here's hoping we'll have 64 bit H4 for Xmas!
komodo tcec is designed for long games
Yes, but if the crack was bad, H4 would still lose.  That was my point.
I just made a short test. it should have to be 500 game test. but maelic's second h4 version suddenly came up so I cut it to 200 to test maelic's.
                           
1   Houdini 4 Pro w32   +5  +50/=102/-47 50.75% 101.0/199
2   Houdini 3 Pro x64    -5  +47/=102/-50 49.25%  98.0/199

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Tulog Tulog din pag may time!!

Post  Stonewall on Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:06 am

tulog tulog din bacolod.. hehehe

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Re: Houdini 4 Pro 32-bit

Post  Bacolod Chess on Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:25 am

Stonewall wrote:tulog tulog din bacolod.. hehehe
hehehe. mamaya na, may insomnia ako :Dat saka overnight duty din ako mag bantay ng bata, hahaha. kaya pa engines engines tournaments nalang din.

I will run the test overnight. now testing the first Houdini w32 release versus the second "v1" posted by maelic. this one I will make it 500 games. coz I sense there is some big difference in the initial results with the two version, so just to be accurate 500 games. if im not satisfied, I will run it up to 1,000 like what I did with deep fritz 14 x64 vs x86. lol. I stopped the previous (H4 w32 vs H3 Pro x64 cos I guess both engines have almost the same strength. cos the initial results where confusing, when before game 50, Houdini 4 w32 leads by 2 to 3 games ahead. but after game 100, h3 equalized. and after game 140, h3 took the lead by 4 games. h4 equalized at about game 150. and then took the lead again after 180. and h3 wasn't able to catch up before I stopped it at game 200. I guess it was useless continueing it. maybe if I continued it to game 300, maybe h3 will take a lead again. lol. That's why there should be 1,000 games to consider it accurate. but maybe even that is not enough. people here have all inaccurate results becos we all have short tests. as we see, we have different results. so no one here yet can really say which engine is stronger (Houdini 3 or Houdini 4 w32.) unless someone will make 1,000 games.

for now, im running Houdini_4_w32 vs Houdini_4_w32-v1. this one sound interesting..

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Re: Houdini 4 Pro 32-bit

Post  FOREVERWAT on Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:28 pm

Dear Friends of this forum I have the pleasure and satisfaction of posting here the first results of 100 Games match between Houdini Pro 4 W32 ( version shared Stonewall ) Houdini 3 VS Pro W32 ( CBF Version)
100 positions Partidas_50 Abertura_com Colors topical Invertidas_Noomen TestSuite ( 50 topical headings , stylish, sharp , modern and sometimes murky for engine tests . ) Using the same configuration for engines 2 . ( Hash Learning Core ) while the test position openings , and much more important than the test using books openings Result after 100 games to the amazement of all affraid  is this:

Code:
http://i56.servimg.com/u/f56/18/64/60/49/result10.png
 Surprised 

With all due respect Stonewall this engine you shared :

Code:
http://i56.servimg.com/u/f56/18/64/60/49/houdin19.png
May not be working at full strength Crying or Very sad  ... It has no sense Houdini Pro 4 being overcome by Houdini Pro 3 in 76-24:!:confused   Although I will do some more testing with other files PGN_Silver 2 = 100 matches ; Noomen Sicilian Testsuite2012 = 200 Matches Indian kings and Noomen Testsuite2012 = 150 games coming soon will be posting the results !

PS : Looks like the engine that maelic shared :

Code:
http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/9314393/Houdini_4_Pro_w32_CBF
" This version works well in all GUI with full force . W32 Final Version .

All credits to chessgod101 , CBF and the chess community. "

is exactly the same as Stonewall shared just edited v1

Houdini 4 Pro Stonewall shared
Code:
http://i56.servimg.com/u/f56/18/64/60/49/houdin19.png
Houdini 4 Pro maelic shared
Code:
http://i56.servimg.com/u/f56/18/64/60/49/houdin18.png
ie the two licensed by Arrow  [Only mods are allowed to see this link]

But I will also test the v1 version (if there is a difference) and post the results soon!

A hug to everyone! Smile


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Re: Houdini 4 Pro 32-bit

Post  Schachmatt on Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:30 pm

Thanx for the info, I always enjoy reading your test results! Smile 

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Re: Houdini 4 Pro 32-bit

Post  Bacolod Chess on Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:36 pm

FOREVERWAT wrote:Dear Friends of this forum ...................

Smile
hi. please edit ur post becos we can't see all the links u have posted. pls use "code" in posting links to make it visible on the page. or type it with w-w-w.

PS: If only chessgod will make me a moderator here, I will edit those invisible links into code tags.

I love you 


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Re: Houdini 4 Pro 32-bit

Post  Bacolod Chess on Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:47 pm

Foreverwat, I still can't see your link. but when it comes to file size, yes they have the same file size. But this had happened to Komodo 6 by predator and komodo 6 edited by Chessgod. they have the same file size, but the registration strings are different. this is because very small built-in editable strings inside the file would not affect the overall file size since I think there are room for adjustments inside the file.

for reference, take a look again at the old old komodo 6 thread:

difference between predator's komodo and chessgod's komodo
Code:
chessgod101:
0008E520   ED 01 00 00 9F 01 00 00  9F 01 00 00 E4 01 00 00
0008E530   15 03 00 00 6F 00 00 00  8B 02 00 00 7B 02 00 00
0008E540   FC 01 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0008E550   00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0008E560   00 00

predator78:
0008E520   8A 00 00 00 C5 00 00 00  CC 00 00 00 CC 00 00 00
0008E530   C5 00 00 00 F1 01 00 00  50 00 00 00 17 01 00 00
0008E540   BC 00 00 00 59 00 00 00  56 00 00 00 3E 02 00 00
0008E550   56 00 00 00 15 03 00 00  88 00 00 00 29 00 00 00
0008E560   FC 01
file size identical even in smallest bytes. but the strings inside differ. this could happen in stonewall's h4 and maelic's h4.

but then again, lets hear from them. though maelic already explained it that his is CBF edited of Houdarts bug fixed h4

PS: can u please make 500 game test? just 1+0 minute time control. marco and stockfish team tests their development version this way. short time control to have plenty games. and it seems to give them more accurate results than longer time control but fewer games.

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Re: Houdini 4 Pro 32-bit

Post  chichi on Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:08 pm

Craparov wrote:
Bacolod Chess wrote:
Craparov wrote:
chichi wrote:It should be stronger, yes. But it isn't! I suppose this version is not fully cracked, see the hash issue as well.
On my modest laptop, it is clearly stronger, beating Komodo TCEC in blitz matches.  The cr@.. is fine, IMO.  Here's hoping we'll have 64 bit H4 for Xmas!
komodo tcec is designed for long games
Yes, but if the crack was bad, H4 would still lose.  That was my point.

I'm personally using Houdini 3 x64 with 16GB of hash. Results are coming faster than Houdini 4 w32 results with just 1GB of hash.
I'm sure Houdini 4 x64 with hash bug solved will be better, but actual version is not good for me... at least.

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Re: Houdini 4 Pro 32-bit

Post  Bacolod Chess on Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:11 pm

chichi wrote:

I'm personally using Houdini 3 x64 with 16GB of hash. Results are coming faster than Houdini 4 w32 results with just 1GB of hash.
I'm sure Houdini 4 x64 with hash bug solved will be better, but actual version is not good for me... at least.
I guess, generally speaking, that this w32 is really harder to load than Houdini 3 x64 coz it's file size Is almost 7mb

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